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Description of service |
Limitations |
Member price |
Non member price |
Certificate, valid for 1 year for DVLA purposes
To obtain an age related number and V5 registration document
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Derived from factory records. Confirms the year and model of the frame,
engine and gearbox numbers provided.
Includes letter detailing any other factory data e.g. supplying dealer
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Certificate valid with DVLA for 1 year ONLY.
A new certificate is required after 1 year. Bike must be roadworthy, MOT’d (if applicable) and insured.
Non-matching numbers certificates clearly state this
If you require a re-issue of an out of date certificate, there is a charge of £10 for this.
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£20 including postage |
£80 including postage
By joining the club for 1 year the member price applies
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On-line frame dating and identification
Information useful pre sale, pre purchase or before a rebuild
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On line at dating.jampot.com
for a range of years and models
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Cannot be used for DVLA purposes.
Factory records for some years are patchy.
Read the years/models covered before purchase
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£5 |
£10 |
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Certificate of Authenticity
Suitable for framing and display, typically with matching numbers
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Details frame, engine, gearbox and registration numbers
and Manufacturer's Specifications. A4, embossed with the club seal, signed
and individually numbered
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Cannot be used for DVLA purposes
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£20 including postage |
£80 including postage
By joining the club for 1 year the member price applies
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DVLA V765 scheme
To reclaim an original registration number
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Assistance with V765 scheme including verification of
documents and inspection of the bike by a club representative
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The club cannot guarantee that DVLA will accept all
documents offered without further enquiries
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£45 including postage |
£80 including postage
By joining the club for 1 year the member price applies
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Verification of year of manufacture
To obtain exemption from MOT
requirement
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Glass’s Check Book verification of a bike’s year of
manufacture if available. Document accepted by DVLA for MOT exemption
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Document NOT accepted by DVLA for V765 and age related registration purposes
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£20 including postage |
£80 including postage
By joining the club for 1 year the member price applies
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We supply information, that is, to the best of our knowledge accurate. However, as we are not
infallible, we cannot be held responsible should the information later be proved to be incorrect.
The following advice on this page may now be out of date in the light of changing DVLA requirements,
for example, the 1 year life span of a Dating Certificate. Advice is therefore being reviewed
and will be updated soon. Meanwhile the most up to date advice can be obtained from the DVLA
website and documents at
www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/old-vehicles
The Club provides two
separate services, and it may help if we explain the subtle
differences:
1. DVLC V765 Scheme - Reclaming original Registration Number
The centralisation of services at Swansea has meant that new policies and procedures have had
to be considered. This document sets out the new procedures for services previously
provided by Local Offices in respect of the registration and licensing of historic vehicles.
This information covers changes in procedures for:
- The verification of documents for V765 applications
- Obtaining a tax disc following a V765 application
- The verification of documents for V765 applications
Currently at Local Offices, customers can have original documents such as old log books, copied
and verified and submit these verified copies with their V765 application. As a result
of centralisation, DVLA has carefully considered the impacts of posting original
valuable and historical documents to Swansea for processing.
Any club listed on the V765/1 "List of vehicle owners' clubs" will be able
to photocopy and verify original old documents that support a V765 application. The
copies must be annotated "authenticated copy" and be stamped, signed and dated by the
V765 club signatory (preferably on the front of the document) taking care not to obscure
any vehicle details. The authenticated copies should be submitted with a stamped and approved V765 application.
In line with current procedures for authorising V765 application, applicants/signatories cannot
verify their own documentation. Where there is evidence that documentation is being falsely
verified by an owners' club, they will be immediately suspended and possibly removed from
the V765/1 authorised list.
You must provide the following documents:
- A filled-in form V55/5 (or V5/V5C showing the current registration number)
- A recent photo of the vehicle
- Evidence to link this number to your vehicle
Click here to download a copy of the V765 form
Click here to download a copy of V55/5 form
Acceptable forms of evidence include:
- The original old style log book (RF60/VE60)
- Archive or library records showing the registration number and the chassis number authorised by the archivist,
clearly defining where the material was taken from,
- Other pre 1983 documentary evidence linking the chassis and the registration number to the vehicle.
From 21st October 2014, applicants will be unable to make an application for a tax disc in conjunction with a V765
application. In addition, for applications made via the V765 scheme, vehicles will no longer be put
into the `not licensed' tax class.
When a V765 application is received and successfully processed, the keeper will be issued with a Vehicle Registration
Certificate (V5C) showing the tax class as `historic' or `private light goods' (whichever is applicable).
When the applicant wishes to tax the vehicle, this can be done at a tax disc issuing Post Office®, in the
usual way using this V5C.
The vehicle will only fall within the scope of Continuous Registration (CR), Continuous Insurance Enforcement (CIE)
penalties, or Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN), after the first tax disc has been issued.
The vehicle must not be used or kept on a public road without a tax disc.
New Applications must be supported by acceptable documentary evidence as above, recent photographs, and the relevant
DVLA Forms V765 and V55/5, together with the Club fee of £45 payable AMOC Dating. All machines will be
inspected on behalf of the Club and must be in a complete, assembled condition.
It is always advisable to ascertain from the DVLC that your registration number is not currently on their computer,
as this will save you going through the whole application process only to perhaps find that the number
has been re-issued, with the only recourse than being to apply for an age-related number. The DVLA Enquiry Unit
telephone number is 0844 496 0602.
Please note that the final decision on acceptance of all applications
rests with the DVLA and, if rejected, the Club's fee is not refundable.
2. Online frame dating and identification
Online search of our factory records to find basic information on a frame number.
This online service allows you to enter a frame number and immediately see if there are any factory
records within our system for this frame. If we find any matching details, you can see the year of manufacture,
make and model of the bike as it left the factory. The fee for this service is £10 (£5 for club members)
and the results are shown to you immediately on screen.
Note, if you require more information than this simple search, you should use the
Dating Letter or the Certificate of Authenticity option described below.
Click here to use this service at https://dating.jampot.com.
3. How to obtain an age-related number 2014
Send clear, close-up photographs of both the frame and engine numbers, together with details of the
gearbox number to the Machine Dating Officer, who will corroborate these and issue a
Dating Certificate. The cost of this service is £20.00 to club Members and £80.00 to
non-Members (cheque made payable to AMOC Dating).
For your own information, wherever possible, a covering note will be enclosed giving further
information gleaned during the search of our records.
Click here to see the typical location of frame numbers
To obtain an age-related number once you have your dating certificate, you must contact the DVLA at Swansea
to obtain a V55/5 who will require not only the verified Club Dating Certificate but the
completed V55/5 Form. The vehicle must be a complete, assembled machine, with a current
MoT Certificate, (these can be issued on the frame number by the Testing Station) and
Certificate of Insurance. Vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1960 are exempt from the
requirements to have a mandatory MoT test. If satisfied, the DVLA will then issue a number,
based on the marque of the frame, and arrange for a V5C to be issued.
Click here to download a copy of V55/5 form
Where the age of the frame and engine differ, the DVLA now class this as a reconstructed classic, and
the "age-related" number will be based on the age of the younger component. Following the
Budget in 1998 the Government introduced a fee for all "first" registrations (currently £55.00),
payable to the DVLA.
PLEASE NOTE: In order to license and register your vehicle you must also now provide (along with the
Dating Certificate confirming the frame's year of manufacture) your DVLA photocard driving
licence. If you do not have a photocard driving licence, you must produce one original
document (not a copy) from both of the lists below:
| Documentation confirming your name |
Documentation confirming your address |
| Current DVLA paper driving licence |
Utility Bill – gas, electricity, water, landline telephone |
| UK/EU or foreign passport |
Bank/Building Society statement |
| Marriage certificate |
Medical card |
| Birth certificate |
Council tax bill for current year |
4. Other Dating Services
The Machine Dating Service also provides the following services, and it may
help members if we explain the subtle differences. The fee in each case is
£20.00 to Club Members and £80.00 to non-members.
Photos of frame, engine and gearbox numbers must be provided.
DATING LETTERS to assist with identification of miscellaneous frame, engine
and gearbox numbers. Before commencing a 'rebuild' it is advisable to have
the frame number checked to ascertain the correct marque, i.e. AJS or Matchless.
Members may also wish to use this service to check validity when purchasing a
machine. Please note that all queries of a technical nature should be made
via the Technical Helpline.
CERTIFICATES OF AUTHENTICITY - detailing frame, engine, gearbox and registration
number, together with Manufacturer's Specifications. Of A4 size and embossed with the Club seal,
signed and individually numbered, these look great framed and hanging on the wall of your
favourite room. Typically designed for 'all original' machines with the frame/engine/gearbox numbers that
match the factory record, the fee for this service is £20.00 to Club Members and £80.00 to non-members.
5. Payment
Once you have made contact with the Machine Dating Officer he will email a PayPal invoice
to you, which you will be able to pay with a either a credit/debit card or a Paypal account.
Please note that the Club no longer accepts cheques as payment for Dating Certificates.
When writing, please include a contact phone number.
An example of a certificate can be seen here.
All information is supplied from the original factory dispatch records.
You can contact the clubs Machine Dating Officer at .
Postal applications can be made to:
Machine dating Officer
AJS & Matchless O.C. Ltd
Unit 3 Robinson Way
Telford Way Industrial Estate
Kettering
Northamptonshire
NN16 8PT
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