Mesh oil filter

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby Janet » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:09 am

ajscomboman wrote:All you L/W owners do is gripe about money and cost of parts!
I'm a lightweight owner and I don't gripe about money and the cost of parts. I admit I will frequently say "HOW MUCH?" before I part with my cash, but that's because I'm from Yorkshire so must keep up the stereotype image. How are the pains in your sides doing? :rofl:
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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby ajscomboman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:01 am

Paul it's harsh but true! You don't do as much griping as others but generally the comments from most L/W always question the costs. Club spares is run by staff that have limited knowledge on the ins and outs as has been stated before. The pictures and descriptions are historical but get updated as and when. There is very little spare time or them to alter the system and that job falls to either myself or Eamonn so it's not left entirely to one person.

The other fact as your well aware is the chequered history of the L/W's and the ongoing change of parts that weren't very well documented. Even Steven Surbey shudders at the lightweight enquiries.

You're spot on when stating that the best source of info is here on the forum and I can only apologise if e-mails and info sent to the parts service advising of discrepancies was not acknowledged.

Send me a list and I'll sit and carry it out.

Also with regards to clutch centres, it's good to hear that it helped you out of a tight spot. Again, like the replacement seats etc, Roy and I were instrumental in their reproduction but the unit costs are high compared to H/W's simply due to demand restrictions. Many here baulked at the price and complained they were ridiculous compared to their bigger brother.

Onto future parts development, I think many are under the illusion that the parts service has an original sample piece from which to make repro's. That simply isn't the case hence the need to involve members, if they have a worn out part that is usable as a pattern we really need them to go out and get quotations then come to the committee to see if a repro project can be funded. Currently rear sprockets are being sourced but from one of the quotations we've had back you can clearly see that it's not easy or viable at those prices, however it does seem to be an indication that those are going to become the actual costs in the not too distant future.

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby ajscomboman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:02 am

Janet wrote:
ajscomboman wrote:All you L/W owners do is gripe about money and cost of parts!
I'm a lightweight owner and I don't gripe about money and the cost of parts. I admit I will frequently say "HOW MUCH?" before I part with my cash, but that's because I'm from Yorkshire so must keep up the stereotype image. How are the pains in your sides doing? :rofl:



Ouch!!!! Stop it! :rofl: :rofl:

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby G15 Roy » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:20 am

What becomes even more frustrating is when we make contact with old suppliers and try get them to make parts, they say they don’t have the time and not interested some of these are even club members. :headbang: :headbang:
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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby Martin.S » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:56 pm

My comments with regards to the spares scheme weren't meant to be harsh but a reflection of my experience.
I joined the club earlier in the year because of this forum and what appeared to be available from the spares scheme. I couldn't be happier with the forum but frustrated with the spares dept, making out a list from the catalogue and finding out that half of it is not available. I'm not a computer buff and I don't understand how easy or difficult it is to edit the catalogue but it needs doing.
As far as prices - I'll look for cheaper alternatives - I'll go to the Norton owners club if I want a rear sprocket but if nobody else has a clutch centre then I'll buy one from here without grumbling - It wouldn't be cheaper if I was buying a similar part for a new Hinkley Triumph.
With regards to a refund of the £10 I hope I'll have more luck with parts for the gearbox when I take it apart or perhaps it will go towards buying up lightweight stock from others like Andrew Engineering.
I feel it is the clubs job to help promote and preserve these less popular machines and our job as members to support when we can.

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby Martin.S » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:58 pm

On another note - back to the filter - can DIY paper filters be made? - I don't particularly like the idea of the felt and washing it out.

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby ajscomboman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:28 pm

I'm not aware that the NOC have these sprockets anymore as one of my guys tried to buy them but in the end had them made for £60 ea. Tried following it up but the guy that made them has retired now and wouldn't do 25 at a time. This is the sort of thing we run up against all the time, that's why it's so important that the membership try and source out engineering companies within their area to continue with the source of suppliers. You are the club and without members assistance the whole thing will fail as there isn't enough manpower at Kettering to keep up with it all.

With regards to the filters I'd not be too concerned about washing them out. These filters have been on our bikes since day one and other than the odd incidents that can happen with the twins (ie if left dirty they can implode) there's been no reports of this type ever being a problem on singles. They're actually quite robust (but only if the felt is on the inside).


We are currently in talks with new manufacturers, trying to get new supplies in soon.

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby Martin.S » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:47 pm

I have to fiddle - so I bought a Triumph Trident oil filter - they're long and thin - but not thin enough.
So I took this filter apart and removed as much as I could of the silicon type of stuff top and bottom of the paper element and rolled it out, I then cut off several pleats and glued it back together. I turned up some caps and cut off some of the outer steel sheathing so I could roll it up to a smaller diameter and silver soldered it back together. Fitted altogether I can blow though it with no restriction felt.
Now while this has been quite fiddly it would be much easier if I could just buy the filter paper. There is a company on the net that sell to the manufactures but they're in China. In fact if I could buy the paper I could make it longer.
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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby ChrisTheChippy » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:27 pm

ajscomboman wrote:All you L/W owners do is gripe about money and cost of parts! What do you expect when buying a low volume motorcycle, that even in it's day parts were always hard to obtain. The market for repro parts is always going to be low and costs high when compared to the H/W's as the demand simply isn't there in enough volume to make the unit cost similar.

You could do something really radical and go out and find original parts and get them priced up to see if the club would fund production. You'll be shocked at just how hard it is to find companies willing to carry out work for you, especially as you'll be talking low volume.

One Hampshire member has done so recently and that part, although not large, was manufactured and is now in stock.

We're looking at rear sprockets but at £103.50 ea I'm sure you'll not give that a second thought! Unfortunately my friends that is the true cost of producing these parts nowadays in low volume on specialised CNC machines that cost a fortune to buy and staff to run them.

Small engineering companies that we used to use in a cottage style way are no longer in an abundance and is impacting on the unit cost of parts.

That's us told then

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Re: Mesh oil filter

Postby Janet » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:56 pm

Martin.S wrote:I feel it is the clubs job to help promote and preserve these less popular machines and our job as members to support when we can.
The members are the club.
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