56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
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56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
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Head and barrel off. one of the "eyes" on a gudgeon pin circlip had snapped off. bounce about up and down the inside of the pin until finally escaping. Two deep "dots" on the barrel at top of stroke opposite each other with slightly smaller ones at the borrom of the stroke and scoring in between before is escaped, presumably into the crankcase (or possible the exhaust). Rings in piston gummed up tight and immovable except the oil control (or scraper) ring.
Barrel already at +40 (I'd taken it from std to +20 and then on to +40). What to do?
Having just read someone's re-sleeving experience on this forum I'm wary but clearly it must be viable or people wouldn't do it. Positive is that at least one would be starting from scratch with a known quantitiy. Versus replacing the barrel with S/hand one; if I could get one at +20 the piston I have is usable unfortunately the std piston lost. Asking prices for barrels (on fleabay) seem almost to match re-sleeving. Haven't rung T&L yet! Will be calling Steve Surbey at AMC CLassics shortly.
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Head and barrel off. one of the "eyes" on a gudgeon pin circlip had snapped off. bounce about up and down the inside of the pin until finally escaping. Two deep "dots" on the barrel at top of stroke opposite each other with slightly smaller ones at the borrom of the stroke and scoring in between before is escaped, presumably into the crankcase (or possible the exhaust). Rings in piston gummed up tight and immovable except the oil control (or scraper) ring.
Barrel already at +40 (I'd taken it from std to +20 and then on to +40). What to do?
Having just read someone's re-sleeving experience on this forum I'm wary but clearly it must be viable or people wouldn't do it. Positive is that at least one would be starting from scratch with a known quantitiy. Versus replacing the barrel with S/hand one; if I could get one at +20 the piston I have is usable unfortunately the std piston lost. Asking prices for barrels (on fleabay) seem almost to match re-sleeving. Haven't rung T&L yet! Will be calling Steve Surbey at AMC CLassics shortly.
Closed for summer holiday to 3 July!
Johnny B
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
My Barrel is at +60 with a club spares piston and no problems in 400 miles. where's the fingers crossed emoji ?
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
My 350 at +60 with a club piston for quite a few years and miles now too. Just bore with enough clearance, but that is another story...
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
I don't believe that going to +60 will be enough to removed the two "pits" either side at the top of the barrel; it would remove the up and down scoring.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll have to get the vernier out and see what 20 thou looks like; feeler gauge wouldn't do it.
Johnny B
Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll have to get the vernier out and see what 20 thou looks like; feeler gauge wouldn't do it.
Johnny B
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
Why not let T&L try and bore out to +60. If it does not clean the gouges then re-sleeve. A re-bore will last a long time! if looked after.
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
I had mine re-sleeved back to standard by Weir St Light Engineering Blackburn. Super job and super price.
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
My 350 AJS trials bike with an alloy barrel played a similar trick with broken circlip which allowed the gudgeon pin to dig a big groove in the cylinder.That was about 25 years ago and nobody could do anything about it.I put a road bike engine in the bike and left the old engine lying in the shed, 6 years ago I was having some machining done on a MG race engine and mentioned the problem to the machinist who suggested that I leave the barrel with him and he would look at it and 'give it some thought'. About a year later he rang me to say " I've done it"' He had had a special sleeve made by a firm in Australia, bored my barrel to within an inch 'of it's life', fitted the sleeve and bored that to standard. I used a Club piston and found all the other engine 'bits' carefully scattered around the shed, rebuilt and refitted the bike's original engine back where it belongs.It did cost me quite a few 'beer tokens' but was well worth the effort. I have tried boring single cylinder engines right out to their limit but have found that can upset the balancing of the engine so I think sleeving back to standard and ensuring that the piston weight is as near as possible to the original would make for a 'nicer' engine.
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
Happened to my 350 which was already +40 so I scrapped it.
It transpired that the round section 'wire' circlips fitted by the PO were incompatible with the shape of the circlip locating recesses in the piston which were shaped for stamped-out square edged circlips.
It transpired that the round section 'wire' circlips fitted by the PO were incompatible with the shape of the circlip locating recesses in the piston which were shaped for stamped-out square edged circlips.
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Re: 56G80S - sleeve or replace barrel
Even more thanks!
Although the Matchless has revvd quite freely and I have run it at 70mph (+?) particularly on the way back to N Yorks from the Woolwich Cententary (only had battery, no dynamo and pre LEDs) I'm stuck for the balancing without splitting the crancases as when the duff replacement cranpin failed (and I had a sidecar with a box on) Alpha fitted "an oversize pin". I was only 20 -21 and just accepted this with no details.
The same pin still running and there's no up and down play in it. The con rod does move some, across the frame movement, but nothing that suggests need to replace what's there.
It must be jolly good through, taken a lot of hammer.
I'm going to contact Weir St Light Engineering Blackburn re the barrel and see what they say.
Johnny B
Although the Matchless has revvd quite freely and I have run it at 70mph (+?) particularly on the way back to N Yorks from the Woolwich Cententary (only had battery, no dynamo and pre LEDs) I'm stuck for the balancing without splitting the crancases as when the duff replacement cranpin failed (and I had a sidecar with a box on) Alpha fitted "an oversize pin". I was only 20 -21 and just accepted this with no details.
The same pin still running and there's no up and down play in it. The con rod does move some, across the frame movement, but nothing that suggests need to replace what's there.
It must be jolly good through, taken a lot of hammer.
I'm going to contact Weir St Light Engineering Blackburn re the barrel and see what they say.
Johnny B