To indicate or not to indicate?

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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby Ib-Denmark » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:38 am

PGGuse wrote:
56G80S wrote:Even more dangerous is fitting flashers and then forgetting to cancel them. I fitted a buzzer in the headlamp which activates after a short time and then gradually increases in volume.

Johnny B


I found another solution against forgetting flasher switch-off: https://motogadget.com/shop/de/m-stop-b ... erung.html
It's a tiny flashing relay, called "m-stop" with auto switch-off after 20 seconds operation - very reliable since many years of operation...
Paul in Frankfurt


Hello Paul
Looks very interesting! (For an old man who forget everything).
My German is not that perfect so please tell me if it will work in my 12V LED -system? -positive earth-
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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby McBob » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:07 am

Also interested in how Dave fitted his front indicators, very tidy.

Ib, there is a translation button in the top right of that website, EN, here some of what it says

Application as flasher relay (with or without automatic deactivation)

Almost load independent (min. 1 Watt)
Always constant flasher frequency
Therefore suited for almost all LED turn signal lights, all micro and halogen turn signal lights as well as all 10-watts and 21-watts turn signal lights etc.
Ideal for custom bikes and mods with little mounting space - no bulky conventional relay
e. g. works with 4 turn signal lights or 2 handle bar end turn signal lights etc.
Utterly hassle-free connection using only two cables - just connect in series
Also applicable for 6 V turn signal lights
Also applicable as flasher relay WITH AUTOMATIC DEACTIVATION

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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby Ib-Denmark » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:59 am

McBob wrote:Also interested in how Dave fitted his front indicators, very tidy.

Ib, there is a translation button in the top right of that website, EN, here some of what it says

Application as flasher relay (with or without automatic deactivation)

Almost load independent (min. 1 Watt)
Always constant flasher frequency
Therefore suited for almost all LED turn signal lights, all micro and halogen turn signal lights as well as all 10-watts and 21-watts turn signal lights etc.
Ideal for custom bikes and mods with little mounting space - no bulky conventional relay
e. g. works with 4 turn signal lights or 2 handle bar end turn signal lights etc.
Utterly hassle-free connection using only two cables - just connect in series
Also applicable for 6 V turn signal lights
Also applicable as flasher relay WITH AUTOMATIC DEACTIVATION


THANK YOU
I will certenly consider this.
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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby Mick D » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:20 am

Hi

I am very wary of auto cancellation for indicators based on a timer - for example:

Indicators on as you approach a four way junction with the intention of turning right, stop to allow crossing traffic to clear, indicators cancel, continue the manoeuvre under the impression you are still indicating and an oncoming vehicle pulls out in front because he believes you were going straight on.

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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby Taid » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:52 am

Mick D wrote:Hi

I am very wary of auto cancellation for indicators based on a timer - for example:


Regards Mick


Look at the ST2 auto-cancel unit

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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby chappers1962 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:30 am

Just fitting indicators to my 1956 G3LS. I intend to ride the bike and want to keep living a little more to extract as much as possible from the company's pension scheme. I'm planning on two circuits, i.e, original harness (6v), plus separate for indicators (LED). This enables quick swop over to original sidelights, etc should I decide to show the bike. The indicators were bough on line for £20 a pair. They were matt black, so I striped them down and sprayed them gloss to match the bike. The diameter of the threaded stems are slightly smaller than the original sidelights, but I increase the size with a small piece of rubber pipe, which helps to make a snug fit.
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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby spookefoote1956 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:12 am

I've got a set of them to put on Project Kate.
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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby PGGuse » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:27 am

Ib-Denmark wrote:
McBob wrote:Ib, there is a translation button in the top right of that website, EN, here some of what it says


THANK YOU
I will certenly consider this.
Ib


Hello Ib,
McBob was quicker than me, so your questions are sorted ;-)
In addition: The attached "mstop manual" PDF file is consisting of 2 (two) pages, and page 2 is written in english!
Regards from another old man :mrgreen:
Paul
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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby Group Leader » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:35 pm

I fully agree with the idea of fitting indicators to old machines to increase the riders safety and indeed I've thought about fitting them to my bikes on a number of occasions.

However, dare one suggest that the best form of indicator cancellation device should be the thing sitting on the saddle, feet on the footpegs and hands on the handle bars that adapts to each individual situation?

Does one forget to: look in the mirror/behind, accelerate, brake, look out for the many road-muppets(very dangerous!), change gear and, if appropriate, set the ignition and air correctly as you proceed?

Is it not all part of driving "the particular machine"? Unfortunately lapses of driver (car, bike, lorry etc) concentration are becoming the norm rather than the exception on our busy roads - just look at the number of idiots who still persist in using mobile phones, texting and surfing the net when they should be concentrating on the road ahead. The situation is not helped when car manufacturers now make a point of high-lighting features to "help you" when your concentration lapses in their adverts. The best gadgets would be to prevent the lapses in the first place rather than gadgets to mask them!

I'm a great believer in Darwin but unfortunatly his theory completely breaks down when it comes down to motoring. Frankly I wouldn't care if somone using a mobile phone, for example, careered off of the road, hit a tree and killed themselves. I'd call that justice even if it was a little harsh. Unfortunately there is generally always collateral damage to innocent parties from such events caused by the actions of those people. Those innocent parties are often the most vulnerable of road users including motorcyclists. That isn't to say all motorcyclists are Saints, they are far from it and sometimes they are their own worst enemies when you see some of their antics on the road!

Anyway, just a thought ....
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Re: To indicate or not to indicate?

Postby dave16mct » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:19 pm

Sorry Group Leader, I can't agree with that at all. If you fit indicators and don't have any buzzer etc, you will forget and leave them on. You have only to go on any club run to see those who don't have a warning buzzer, riding on for miles indicating away until someone reminds them to turn them off!
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